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The Dream Seeker {4}

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Bonnie M. Wells



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Regular text / {My notes and/or comments }/ Mary Dye / Officer Garvey /

Prosecution / ** Attention or Special emphasis / Defense attorneys /

* repeated testimony


CROSS EXAMINATION CONTINUED

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Mary Dye's Cross-Examination By Bill Kiger

Q: What other police agencies have you called?

A: The sheriff's department.

Q: How many times?

A: I don't know.

Q: Is that Wood County or Washington County?

A: ** **Washington County. {BMW: She lives in Wood County, West Virginia ... a county with 3 or 4 "unsolved" murder cases of its own, I might add.}

Q: Did you make any calls over to Wood County?

A: I think maybe one.

Q: Now, you say you are not a psychic?

A: No, I am not.

Q: You don't claim to be?

A: I don't claim to be one.

Q: Do other people tell you that you are?

A: No, sir, they do not.

Q: Does your mother think you are?

A: Sir, I don't know what she thinks.

Q: I would have to ask her? {BMW: Impossible since the woman didn't have to testify to anything.}

A: That's right.

Q: Okay. Now, between -- let me make sure I got this straight. The first time you actually ever told anybody about this was October 3? I don't want you to be mixed up here. Let's put it another way. Jenifer McCrady's body was found the afternoon of October 1, to help you. Now, when was it you first went and told anybody what you have told us here today?

A: I think it was September 30.

Q: September 30 is when you went and talked to --

A: Mr. Garvey.

Q: Okay, I am sorry. ** You were interviewed by the police officer on October 3?

A: I don't remember the date.

Q: When you went and talked to Detective Garvey on the 30th, how many times up until then had you read a story about Jenifer McCrady's disappearance?

A: I don't know. I don't know how many times it was in the paper.

Q: How many times was Mr. McCrady's picture in the paper prior to that time?

A: I don't recall seeing his picture in the paper.

Q: How many times has it been in the paper since then?

A: A lot.

Q: Were you ever shown what is called a ** photo line up?

A: No.

Q: The police never said here is five or six pictures, pick one?

A: No, they did not.

Q: The first time you actually publicly made this identification is here in this courtroom today?

A: Yes.

Q: And you have had about nine and a half, ten months now to prepare to do that?

A: I suppose.

Q: Have you ever met Mr. McCrady before?

A: No, sir, I have not.

Q: I noticed you referred to -- you said, that's him right there, Mr. McCrady. Why did you call him Mr. McCrady?

A: Because, sir, he is a man, right?

Q: Why didn't you say it is that guy right there? Why are you so familiar with him you would use his name?

A: Well, his name is Mr. McCrady, right?

Q: That's been in the newspaper too, right?

A: Well, sure it has.

Q: Right under his picture?

A: I don't know.

Q: That's usually where they put the person's name?

A: If they have a name under the picture, yes.

Q: Now, your trip back to the oil access road with the other gentleman here was when?

A: I believe it was in March.

Q: What did you do that day?

A: I --

Q: What did you do out there?

A: I showed them where I had seen the car.

Q: How many other times have you talked to Detective Garvey or Mr. Schneider or Mr. Rings about this case?

A: I don't know.

Q: Half a dozen?

A: I don't think so.

Q: Four?

A: Maybe.

Q: How many times have -- including those four times, how many times have you sat down and discussed what your testimony would be here today?

A: We haven't went over that. {BMW: This is absurd. No prosecuting attorney brings a witness, especially a star witness into the court room without previously going over the person's testimony with the person. No one would do such a thing, and anyone who has ever testified in any kind of court case knows it.}

Q: So they didn't know what you were going to say when you walked in?

A: No.

Q: Did you say you had given some sort of written statement?

A: ** To Mr. Meek, at the Belpre Police Department. {BMW: Meek is a Marietta cop ..... employed by the city of Marietta, not the county sheriff's department. Wonder why he was in Belpre taking witness statements on a county case? Strange.}

Q: Is that something he wrote and you signed?

A: No.

Q: Or you wrote and gave it to him?

A: No.

Q: What kind of statement is it?

A:** I wrote it and I signed it.

Q: Did you keep a copy of it?

A: No.

Q: You gave it to who?

A: Mr. Meek is the one that took my statement.

Q: What kind of an old building did you have in mind when you were wandering around on September 28th?

A: It was an old building.

Q: An old building like this one {the Washington County Court House} or some other kind?

A: I don't know about that.

Q: You don't know about what?

A: I couldn't tell you what the old building looks like on the outside.

Q: What did it look like on the inside?

A: What did it look like on the inside?

Q: If you know.

A: This old building has a girl in it.

Q: Okay. Anything else?

A: She is tied up.

Q: What with?

A: Something -- I don't know what it is. I know it is not a chain, but I don't know what it is.

Q: Has she got a gag in her mouth?

A: I didn't see one.

Q: She standing up, -- laying down?

A: Laying down.

Q: Moving?

A: Yes, at that time.

Q: Is it daylight or dark?

A: It's night.

Q: Vivid picture in your mind?

A: Oh, yes.

Q: Are her hands tied in front of her or behind her?

A: Neither.

Q: How are they tied? Maybe her hands aren't tied, maybe I misunderstood. Tell us again about the tying.

A: This hand is over here (indicating) tied.

Q: The right hand?

A: Uh-huh, and this hand is over here (indicating) tied.

Q: The left hand?

A: Right.

Q: What about her feet, are they tied?

A: And they are tied also.

Q: Are they tied together or separately?

A: I think separate.

Mr. Kiger: Thank you.

The Court: Redirect:

Mr. Schneider: No other questions for this witness:

The Court: Thank you very much, ma'am. You can stand down.

This concludes Mary Dye's testimony in the McCrady case, but anyone who knows me, knows for a fact that I've got plenty to say, and I'm going to say it.

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Incompetent & Ineffective

I'm going to start this commentary out with a definition from my dictionary. Someone should have looked it up in 1997 .... well, I did, but no one cared.

Perjury: "The willful telling of a lie while under lawful oath or affirmation to tell the truth in a matter material to the point of inquiry."

I have noted many things within Mary Dye's testimony that should have been challenged, but obviously were not. Why? I don't know the answer to that anymore today than I did in 1997.

Why Bill Kiger wasted his entire cross examination dwelling on a damned dream that the woman and the whole world admitted was irrelevant, is beyond my understanding .... but he did.

The prosecution brought out the testimony concerning September 27th. They must have been shocked when Mary first said she got in touch with Garvey on the 27th, and then a few seconds later turned around and said she did not get in touch with him on September 27th! Why Kiger didn't ask her which it was, is anybodies guess. I left the court room wondering about it myself, and finally decided we could just take whichever answer we wanted. Not a very good way to operate a court room, and in my opinion it was very poor defense for the accused.

Perhaps under other circumstances it wouldn't be a big deal. But someone murdered Jenifer McCrady. If it was her husband, then he needed to go to prison. And if it wasn't her husband, then we needed to know who it was.

Jenifer's death and Jackie's life hung on the testimony of a hand full of people. It was absolutely imperative that the truth be told. If a person answers yes one time, and no the next to the exact same question, then one of those answers has to be wrong. In a court room, under oath, it is not wise to change your answers ...... or at least it shouldn't be. However, it appears the McCrady case was "beyond normal rules," because several people changed their testimony and no one noticed ..... especially Jackie McCrady's defense attorneys.

Kiger touched on the "brown hair" issue, but completely missed the boat on the important part ..... the "shaggy, brown hair." He failed to even mention "shaggy," when he could have easily shown by photo's that Jackie's hair had never been long enough to be called "shaggy," by anyone.

Kiger seemed to be more intent on discrediting Georgia Rudolph as a "psychic" than he was in picking apart the testimony of the only person the state had who claimed to have seen his client near Jenifer McCrady's grave! Georgia Rudolph wasn't testifying. It didn't matter whether she was psychic or not, any more than it mattered whether I was psychic or not.

I felt it was extremely important that someone pursue the issue of Mary Dye's statement to a Marietta police officer on October 3rd, concerning the black van and Jenifer's killer living in the Lower Salem area. Even though Kiger started out in this direction, he quickly got side tracked and lost his train of thought.

If Mary Dye saw a cruiser with Jackie McCrady in it on September 28th, and waited three days to mention it to Garvey ..... and {if} it was such a big deal ... then why did she go to a Marietta cop the day after Jenifer's body was found and tell him Jenifer's killer had shaggy brown hair, would be driving a black van and lived in the Lower Salem area .... huh??? Can anyone answer that one? Wish to hell Kiger had asked it, instead of me!

And while we're on this subject .... and before I lose my train of thought {if that's possible!} If on October 3rd, the woman believed that Jenifer's killer would be driving a black van with some other color on it, then what the hell was that big issue about the cruiser? {If} she saw a cruiser on that oil access road, why did she have such a reaction to it?

Who, in their right mind would stop their vehicle {in the middle of the road} in plain view of a state trooper, and then take off in the opposite direction for no reason?

Any trooper that I ever knew would have nailed her ass for being left of center in a blind curve in the middle of an intersection!!! And Jackie McCrady would have too.

Jackie never testified ..... which I've always thought was his greatest mistake, so I can't say for sure whether he pulled his cruiser into the oil access road that day or not. Perhaps he did. He was the one patrolling that area, so it is possible that he did stop there for a few minutes.

It was not uncommon for cruisers to stop there or to pull on up to the level area overlooking the highway. I interviewed several people from that area who told me of seeing cruisers on the oil access road on numerous occasions ..... long before Jenifer ever showed up there. Perhaps her killer knew this also. Perhaps he was even someone that a trooper had stopped at some time for speeding or something.[2006 note: Jackie McCrady says that he was NOT on the oil well access road; Mary Dye absolutely did NOT see him; and he would have nailed her ass if he had seen her sitting on the wrong side of the road, in a blind curve!]

Kiger never even broached the subject of time, and yet he had access to Jackie's records for that day, and he had Mary Dye's own statements about when she left home. He could have done the same thing I did. Drive it. Clock the distance. Time the trip. Do a map search on his computer. Show that the time was all wrong.

{If} she told the truth about leaving her home at two o'clock in the afternoon, then the most that she could have done was pass Jackie McCrady on the road as he headed for Barlow. I can guarantee it is a 15 minute drive from Little Hocking to Barlow .... and especially in the rain.

Kiger never went near the "distance" issue that bothered me so very much. He put forth no effort to try to re-enact Mary Dye's testimony. It was impossible. I know because I was the one who tried .... me and my friends .... the people no one was interested in listening to .... the people no one wanted or needed. Well, one guy needed us ... but....

I just kept wondering .... how could a person give a positive identification on someone, but be unable to judge the distance between their vehicles? How can this be? And how far is "not that far?"

No one asked whether the cop in the cruiser had his hat on or not. Almost all the troopers wear their hats, even in their cruisers. But this question might have created a problem because it would have been impossible to see Jackie McCrady's hair if he had his hat on. So why didn't Kiger nail this with both fists? I don't know.

Why didn't he ask if the troopers side window was down?

Why didn't he ask what type and size vehicle Mary Dye drove? It makes a difference. In a pickup truck with large side mirrors, one can possibly see someone sitting in their vehicle on that access road ..... if they are pulled up to the stop sign. But Mary Dye testified that she'd stopped too soon ..... she wasn't at the stop sign yet. I will be posting pictures and I want to make a request here. For those people in this area ..... Little Hocking, Belpre, etc. who are reading this web page ..... do us all a favor. Go down to 298 .... it's just past the school ..... have a friend park in the access road and you see if you can "identify them."

I just had my eyes checked, by a professional {in case anyone wants to know} and I have 20/20 vision {and yes, by damned I can prove it!} .... and I have tried on several occasions to "see what color hair a person has" while trying to reenact this woman's testimony. It just does not work. If the person is sitting in the car normally, the side bar of the door frame actually blocks your view of their face and head. The only way you can actually see the person clearly is if they roll down their window and stick their head out it!!! Honest. { The 28th of September is approaching fast. Anyone interested in conducting an experiment with me? Send me an email. I'll meet you there about 2:30 - 2:45 pm, and we'll just see for ourselves!!!}

[2006 note: No one met my challenge. That's okay, I didn't really think anyone would. But, I conducted some of the finest tests and reenactments anyone ever seen, and I had several different people with me, and I'm telling the world here and now - Mary Dye's testimony is impossible. Even though nearly ten years has gone by, this case continues to get stranger and stranger all the time. Several tv shows have featured the McCrady case, and yes, I will be presenting them and all that was said by each person.]

I don't know how many pages it will take to post the photo's that I have already taken, but however many it is, I will post them because this is important. The world must know what went on in this area back in 1996 and 1997.

Follow the link below to the first page and there will be additional links as needed until the pictures have all been presented and details have been given.

I will also be presenting other testimony in the weeks to come. The McCrady case may be long gone ..... over and forgotten by most people ..... but that does not mean the "issues of importance" have changed. There is nothing more important that truth, honesty and justice. They must prevail, and if no one else will bring them forth, then I will do it myself.

"All that's necessary for a lie to triumph is for the truth to remain silent."

This page posted: 9-10-04 / Updated: 9-06 / BMW

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Jackie McCrady's attorney, Bill Kiger, passed away in July 2007 from brain cancer.


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